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	<title>Comments on: Why Journalism Schools Should Get Rid of PR</title>
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		<title>By: Jeanette Becker</title>
		<link>http://thegoodthebadthespin.com/2008/12/28/why-journalism-schools-should-get-rid-of-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-1049</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeanette Becker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 18:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much Bob!

I recently graduated from Ferris State University (small town school in Big Rapids, MI) and I hold a bachelors degree in business science. My major: Public Relations. I have friends from the larger schools like Central Michigan and Michigan State whose PR program was either in Arts or Communication and I can&#039;t tell you how many times I&#039;ve heard them say, &quot;Wow, I really should have gone to Ferris.&quot; I have had classes in management, marketing, accounting, finance, advertising, business law and ethics..AND journalism. I even spent 2 years as the school newspaper&#039;s copy editor.

PR majors should already be excellent writers and communicators! For me, college just enhanced my knowledge of the business world and that isn&#039;t something I could have learned at ANY j-school. 

Train the PR majors to work for their companies, not the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much Bob!</p>
<p>I recently graduated from Ferris State University (small town school in Big Rapids, MI) and I hold a bachelors degree in business science. My major: Public Relations. I have friends from the larger schools like Central Michigan and Michigan State whose PR program was either in Arts or Communication and I can&#8217;t tell you how many times I&#8217;ve heard them say, &#8220;Wow, I really should have gone to Ferris.&#8221; I have had classes in management, marketing, accounting, finance, advertising, business law and ethics..AND journalism. I even spent 2 years as the school newspaper&#8217;s copy editor.</p>
<p>PR majors should already be excellent writers and communicators! For me, college just enhanced my knowledge of the business world and that isn&#8217;t something I could have learned at ANY j-school. </p>
<p>Train the PR majors to work for their companies, not the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Should PR be taught in with business not media classes? &#171; Matthew Gain&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://thegoodthebadthespin.com/2008/12/28/why-journalism-schools-should-get-rid-of-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-651</link>
		<dc:creator>Should PR be taught in with business not media classes? &#171; Matthew Gain&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at The University of Newcastle. I really enjoyed my degree and got a lot out of it, but reading this post on The Good, The Bad, The Spin, a US based PR blog, makes some really good [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at The University of Newcastle. I really enjoyed my degree and got a lot out of it, but reading this post on The Good, The Bad, The Spin, a US based PR blog, makes some really good [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently a journalism student and staff writer for my university’s newspaper. Not only do I love writing, I value journalism ethics and enjoy the reporting process.

I do, however, realize that the uncertain future of print journalism has a definite impact on my career path. So, I’m considering entering the PR field after graduation.

Right now, I am enrolled in a PR course and multiple journalism courses. In addition to my sports journalism experience at the newspaper, I also volunteer at the PR department of the university’s athletic department. I can honestly say EVERY DAY that I go to the SAME locations, press conferences etc. with both jobs. The jobs are in direct relation to each other. I see more similarities than differences between the two. That’s why there is such hostility between the two industries. Pink and red are so similar in color that when put together they just clash. Majors don’t have to be identical to be in the same college.

My mother, a dedicated journalist since college, was laid off this year when the newspaper cut her section. A couple months later she was hired by the PR department of a well-respected organization.

The senior associate at the PR department immediately rejected an internship application for one reason: the person applying was a business major. He said he wouldn’t even consider the candidate because the person wouldn’t be able to write well.

With all this talk of PR taking over journalism’s role in providing information, it’s gotta’ make you consider what the public will think: If they think journalism is biased, what will they think of the PR dept. being the only provider of their company’s information?

And isn’t the purpose of PR to present MUTUALLY beneficial relations to the PUBLIC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently a journalism student and staff writer for my university’s newspaper. Not only do I love writing, I value journalism ethics and enjoy the reporting process.</p>
<p>I do, however, realize that the uncertain future of print journalism has a definite impact on my career path. So, I’m considering entering the PR field after graduation.</p>
<p>Right now, I am enrolled in a PR course and multiple journalism courses. In addition to my sports journalism experience at the newspaper, I also volunteer at the PR department of the university’s athletic department. I can honestly say EVERY DAY that I go to the SAME locations, press conferences etc. with both jobs. The jobs are in direct relation to each other. I see more similarities than differences between the two. That’s why there is such hostility between the two industries. Pink and red are so similar in color that when put together they just clash. Majors don’t have to be identical to be in the same college.</p>
<p>My mother, a dedicated journalist since college, was laid off this year when the newspaper cut her section. A couple months later she was hired by the PR department of a well-respected organization.</p>
<p>The senior associate at the PR department immediately rejected an internship application for one reason: the person applying was a business major. He said he wouldn’t even consider the candidate because the person wouldn’t be able to write well.</p>
<p>With all this talk of PR taking over journalism’s role in providing information, it’s gotta’ make you consider what the public will think: If they think journalism is biased, what will they think of the PR dept. being the only provider of their company’s information?</p>
<p>And isn’t the purpose of PR to present MUTUALLY beneficial relations to the PUBLIC?</p>
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		<title>By: Should PR be in the journalism school? &#171; PR Campaigns - The blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Should PR be in the journalism school? &#171; PR Campaigns - The blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to find out if PR should really be under the journalism curriculum so I found this argument by Bob Conrad. It gives ten reasons about why PR should not be in journalism schools. They are all fascinating, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to find out if PR should really be under the journalism curriculum so I found this argument by Bob Conrad. It gives ten reasons about why PR should not be in journalism schools. They are all fascinating, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Licausi</title>
		<link>http://thegoodthebadthespin.com/2008/12/28/why-journalism-schools-should-get-rid-of-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Licausi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a young PR professional, I can&#039;t disagree with this article more. Regardless of whether you&#039;re talking about traditional or new media, the writing skills I learned while in journalism school are the absolute most important skill I use in my job today. Business practices can be learned through experience, but writing is an art that takes time, patience, being torn apart and built back up.. An experience I only got in journalism school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a young PR professional, I can&#8217;t disagree with this article more. Regardless of whether you&#8217;re talking about traditional or new media, the writing skills I learned while in journalism school are the absolute most important skill I use in my job today. Business practices can be learned through experience, but writing is an art that takes time, patience, being torn apart and built back up.. An experience I only got in journalism school.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalism Schools &#124; Education Degree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalism Schools &#124; Education Degree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ten Reasons Why PR is Better Suited for Business Schools &#124; The &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Don Vetter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Vetter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 04:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I jumped into this discussion through the Nevada New Media discussion and have at least fulfilled one of my few, but important, new year&#039;s resolutions  -- to get a better handle on the &quot;2.0s&quot; -- journalism, PR and advertising. You guys are great at synthesizing, illuminating and universalizing -- it seems the struggle is to monetize. I think what we are reaching for in this discussion is a hybrid model. It seems in my work day I&#039;m doing a bit of everything from pure business writing, journalism, ad copywriting and then publicity writing. Having come from the Journalism side, it was the business acumen that took the longest to grasp..but once i did it opened a lot of doors and actually helped me in all these disciplines. I agree the basics should occur in a j-school with hands on experience...but then PR needs to delve into the biz side...keep going on this...i want to learn more, think more about this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I jumped into this discussion through the Nevada New Media discussion and have at least fulfilled one of my few, but important, new year&#8217;s resolutions  &#8212; to get a better handle on the &#8220;2.0s&#8221; &#8212; journalism, PR and advertising. You guys are great at synthesizing, illuminating and universalizing &#8212; it seems the struggle is to monetize. I think what we are reaching for in this discussion is a hybrid model. It seems in my work day I&#8217;m doing a bit of everything from pure business writing, journalism, ad copywriting and then publicity writing. Having come from the Journalism side, it was the business acumen that took the longest to grasp..but once i did it opened a lot of doors and actually helped me in all these disciplines. I agree the basics should occur in a j-school with hands on experience&#8230;but then PR needs to delve into the biz side&#8230;keep going on this&#8230;i want to learn more, think more about this</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Lansing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Lansing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 23:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always held the notion that public relations writing parallels business writing. They&#039;re both short, succinct, and to the point. However, the differences between the two are significant. Business writing maintains an organization&#039;s operations, whereas PR writing maintains an organization&#039;s reputation. Whether promoting breakthroughs in research, communicating and managing a major crisis, or creating buzz around a new product or service, PR communicates an organization&#039;s public stance on any given scenario.

While a PR practitioner conveys messages to benefit an organization (more often than not a profitable business), it takes research and clear communication between all stake-holders involved to adequately deliver these stories. And because these messages are primarily for members of the media (with about 50% of all news stories generated by PR folk), doesn&#039;t it make sense that J-schools include PR in their course/degree offerings?

Yes, business schools offer writing courses. I&#039;m not familiar with how these courses apply to getting messages out to the media, so I can only (and ignorantly) assume a majority of said courses teach students about effective internal communications. While I learned how to write internal business documents as a Journalism/PR student (memos, abstracts, plans), a majority of my education emphasized the delivery of messages to key reporters and media representatives.

I agree that converging business and journalism school courses pertaining to public relations would be advantageous, but I reserve the notion that because the PR realm is fixated on media messaging, it&#039;s best to learn the fundamentals of this field in a media-oriented educational environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always held the notion that public relations writing parallels business writing. They&#8217;re both short, succinct, and to the point. However, the differences between the two are significant. Business writing maintains an organization&#8217;s operations, whereas PR writing maintains an organization&#8217;s reputation. Whether promoting breakthroughs in research, communicating and managing a major crisis, or creating buzz around a new product or service, PR communicates an organization&#8217;s public stance on any given scenario.</p>
<p>While a PR practitioner conveys messages to benefit an organization (more often than not a profitable business), it takes research and clear communication between all stake-holders involved to adequately deliver these stories. And because these messages are primarily for members of the media (with about 50% of all news stories generated by PR folk), doesn&#8217;t it make sense that J-schools include PR in their course/degree offerings?</p>
<p>Yes, business schools offer writing courses. I&#8217;m not familiar with how these courses apply to getting messages out to the media, so I can only (and ignorantly) assume a majority of said courses teach students about effective internal communications. While I learned how to write internal business documents as a Journalism/PR student (memos, abstracts, plans), a majority of my education emphasized the delivery of messages to key reporters and media representatives.</p>
<p>I agree that converging business and journalism school courses pertaining to public relations would be advantageous, but I reserve the notion that because the PR realm is fixated on media messaging, it&#8217;s best to learn the fundamentals of this field in a media-oriented educational environment.</p>
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		<title>By: bconrad</title>
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		<dc:creator>bconrad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian,

Unless I&#039;m mistaken, most public universities should have fee levels consistent among most degrees. At my university, there&#039;s no difference between the cost of a business class or a journalism class (I&#039;ve taken both). 

University-level education is &lt;strong&gt;not &lt;/strong&gt;a business. It&#039;s objective is degree attainment by students from, largely, non-profit institutions. In fact, some disciplines are subsidized by others that generate more income from students. The exceptions of course are the for-profit institutions which ARE businesses, but these are far less common or known than most universities and colleges, which is where most students would attain journalism or business degrees.

-b.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian,</p>
<p>Unless I&#8217;m mistaken, most public universities should have fee levels consistent among most degrees. At my university, there&#8217;s no difference between the cost of a business class or a journalism class (I&#8217;ve taken both). </p>
<p>University-level education is <strong>not </strong>a business. It&#8217;s objective is degree attainment by students from, largely, non-profit institutions. In fact, some disciplines are subsidized by others that generate more income from students. The exceptions of course are the for-profit institutions which ARE businesses, but these are far less common or known than most universities and colleges, which is where most students would attain journalism or business degrees.</p>
<p>-b.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Monck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Monck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

The reason PR professionals will not find a welcome at major business schools is a very simple one - fee levels.

Business education is also a business.

Best
Adrian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>The reason PR professionals will not find a welcome at major business schools is a very simple one &#8211; fee levels.</p>
<p>Business education is also a business.</p>
<p>Best<br />
Adrian</p>
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